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Pentax 645z or Fuji GFX 50s

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Anyone on here got one of these and use it for landscapes.

I am sorely tempted it has to be said. They are pricey but not unobtainable so.


I'd prefer another SLR style body myself but concerned this is a dead system and head says maybe the Fuji Medium format system might be a safer move


Anyone actually shoot with either of these at all.

Lens wise neither of these system's are too pricey compared to standard full frame gold rim, red rim or G master stuff
 

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Someone here used to have a 645. I cannot recall who. Note the sensor sizes on them, "medium format" means two different things to each.
 

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Someone here used to have a 645. I cannot recall who. Note the sensor sizes on them, "medium format" means two different things to each.
They're broadly similar sensor size, and aye not a true medium format but still a chunk more than a 35mm with a far nicer aspect ratio at 4:3 than 3:2. I crop a lot of mine 4:3 as it is.
 

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The GAS is strong with you ;)
Once you get an idea into your head that you "need" something it's very hard to undo. I spent last night reading lots and lots about these super 4 3rds camera's and getting very very itchy. Despite having top drawer equipment I have major GAS. I like cars, computers and camera's. I ain't into too much else and am in dire need of a spending spree.
 

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I had a 645z for a while and also a GFX on loan when looking to replace my Phase One stuff... The 645z is actually quite a good camera very DSLR like with cheap batteries and weather proofing which makes it good for outdoor work. The fuji is a much more modern camera with a better lens system than the pentax which is trying to support its older lens system. However all of them are very sluggish compared to a modern mirrorless or DSLR from the last 5 years but that is fine for landscape. People say that there is a medium format look but having used it since 2001 I couldn't really see it other than in DOF in wider angle shots. There was a more distinctive look to the CCD based MF cameras but the CMOS backs render like most modern sensors in most full frame cameras. Both the 645z and GFX are cropped sensors in the MF world giving around a 1.3 equivalence... I did finally replace my ageing MF equipment but with a couple of Sony A7riv bodies which can do most of the work I do much better. The only reason I could see for me to need to go and use MF again would be if I needed to use a technical camera for a particular reason... However software is so good at correcting perspective that it would have to be rather extreme to need to do it!
 

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I succumbed to temptation. My 645z is here. My 28-45 is coming from EU and is held up on the other side of the channel.

Built my new PC and gone for new Eizo screen.

Case: Fractal Design Define 7 XL, Black, Full Tower w/ Dark Tempered Glass, 3x 140mm Fans, USB 3.1 Type-C, SSI-EEB to Mini-ITX
Board - Supermicro H11DSI AMD EPYC Server Motherboard, SoC, S SP3 x2, DDR4, SATA3, M.2, Dual Intel GbE, Mgmt LAN, USB 3.0, E-ATX
CPU - 2 x AMD EPYC™ 7282, S SP3, 7nm, Infinity / Zen 2, 16 Core, 32 Thread, 2.8GHz, 3.2GHz Turbo, 64MB, 120W, CPU, OEM - these out perform a xeon of same price quite considerably.
CPU cooling - 2 x Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP3 Compact Single Tower CPU Cooler, 6 Heatpipes, 2x92mm PWM Fans, for AMD Ryzen Threadripper/Epyc ONLY
GPU - PNY Quadro RTX 4000 - can always upgrade later anyway
RAM - 16 x 8GB Hynix HMA81GR7CJR8N-WM DDR4 Server RAM, PC4-23400 (2933), ECC Registered, CAS 21, 1.2V, 288-Pin - 128 really is enough
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Sadly capture one pro doesn't support 645z files so adobe products lag behind the competition in taking advantage of GPU's and multi core CPU's so going to try DXO labs 4 or on1 RAW which also helps DAM - as LR and C1 ingest files into a catalogue structure which I hate.
 

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Sadly capture one pro doesn't support 645z files so adobe products lag behind the competition in taking advantage of GPU's and multi core CPU's so going to try DXO labs 4 or on1 RAW which also helps DAM - as LR and C1 ingest files into a catalogue structure which I hate.
When I had a 645z I used DXO (version 3 I think at the time)... as a long time C1pro user it wasn't bad and the colour profiling was good as well. With the blad stuff you have to use their phocus software to get the best results which works well but is not as nice to use as C1pro... At least the Sonys are fully supported using C1 now including full live view tethering!
 

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Exciting times! So what made you go for the 645 over the GFX?
 

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Exciting times! So what made you go for the 645 over the GFX?
I really didn't want a mirrorless camera - I find the EVF's infuriating, the form factor irritating.

I wanted something more similar and familiar feeling in the hands. It's a really lovely feeling thing in the hand with a nice deep grip - logically laid out and its maybe double the mass of a D810 but I never classed a D810 as anything like heavy.

I like big camera's, I like using them, the feel of them. I just don't want something that small...eventually all camera's will be mirrorless and I doubt there will be any more SLR releases in the full frame market and this is probably the last SLR in MF digital bar the prohibitively expensive phase 1/Hasselblad systems. This buys me another 7 years of NOT using mirror less stuff. If 645z body prices fall further I might just buy a second one and really eek that system out.

What swayed it even more was a sample file from a 645z with the 28-45 lens - completely uniformly sharp centre to edge. Looking at a GFX sample with a 32-64 and it was quite smeary at the sides and at least as bad in this regard as a 14-24 Nikon. I think that is unacceptable for a lens costing over £2000. The Pentax lens cost to be fair over £4000 normally but I got a good deal at photo specialist so had to spend £3100 to get a new copy. More expensive lens, better quality. Who guessed.

Landscape photography is all about field of view, what you frame, what you don't frame and how you compose. The 28-45 and 45-85 lens's will cover pretty much ALL my UK landscape photography. Why not a D850 - price difference - they are cheaper but not by as much as you'd think and tbh the only Nikon lenses that satisfy my pixel peeping self are the 70-200 2.8, the Sigma 50 ART and my 24-70 beyond 40mm and upto 62mm and maybe my 20 1.8. Even the sigma ART 35 gets a bit visibly soft in the sides and the 24mm is quite bad for it.

Given most of the time I shoot quite short this Pentax system plays to me. And I've always just wanted one - I remember when it came out thinking what I wouldn't give....and further more I can consolidate my kit back to 3 bodes, 3 zooms and be done. You can actually have too many lenses.

I'll keep the full frame Nikon and 70-200 2.8 as it really is a very high performing lens and doesn't have these smeary sides that a lot of wider Nikon stuff has.

What I would say though - if you are looking for a mirrorless system the Fuji £ for £ looks very competitive to the new Eos R/Sony R/Z7ii stuff even factoring in lenses. I have seen a few APSC Fuji camera's on workshops, couldn't hack the layout and controls of the things but if you can - get one as it will, with better lenses than the 32-64 perform very well indeed. Fuji have a great name for customer support and C1pro works well with the files.
 
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I just purchased a 645z a couple weeks ago.
I couldn't afford the 28-45 lens (well out of my budget) but I did get a 35mm FA lens on ebay comes in from Japan in the next couple days.

How good is the grip on that camera? that grip makes me feel safe carrying that camera around without a leash.
The more I shoot/edit, the more i feel the shot needs a tripod. I hear the 28-45 doesn't have such a big problem being a stabilized lens.
EVFs infuriate me too. hence why i went with 645z.
The shadow recovery is amazing!!! I'm not sure if this is just something that other sony-sensor users have been enjoying for a while. my other camera's are Canon, so their limited shadow recovery and smaller dynamic range is not missed.
Are you on the Pentax 645 fb page? a couple people recommended different tripod/heads on there.
 

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I just purchased a 645z a couple weeks ago.
I couldn't afford the 28-45 lens (well out of my budget) but I did get a 35mm FA lens on ebay comes in from Japan in the next couple days.

How good is the grip on that camera? that grip makes me feel safe carrying that camera around without a leash.
The more I shoot/edit, the more i feel the shot needs a tripod. I hear the 28-45 doesn't have such a big problem being a stabilized lens.
EVFs infuriate me too. hence why i went with 645z.
The shadow recovery is amazing!!! I'm not sure if this is just something that other sony-sensor users have been enjoying for a while. my other camera's are Canon, so their limited shadow recovery and smaller dynamic range is not missed.
Are you on the Pentax 645 fb page? a couple people recommended different tripod/heads on there.
I'm perma banned from facebook due to not being woke enough for them alas.

The camera is amazing in the hands - I had (and still have the Nikon D810) so quite used to the shadow recovery and dynamic range. I really went for this for the 28-45 tbh - the pixel pitch is a little larger than on the D810 so it will be a little cleaner in the shadows and a little more dynamic in the colours but I found with the wider Nikon stuff a lot of the glass was quite soft in the sides. Not this.

I'm getting a new PC soon to cope with the size of the files - right now I have an old 4 core Xeon MacPro tower and it's not so powerful - if you use C1 for editing it doesn't support the files so getting DXO lab to edit them on (user told me it's the best raw converter for the files). I popped a pef into apple photo's and the detail is astonishing - the sharpness from the 28-45 at RAW is as sharp as an output sharpened d810 with a sigma ART prime. I am wondering whether I can do away with sharpening from my workflow altogether. Apple Photo's is really naff though for editing - and its shadow recovery poor but right now that's all I got that reads the files but I am not doing any real photography at the moment.

Next month my new workstation comes - and I am done with Apple for so many reasons.

The lens was crazy expensive - I went to photospecialist.co.uk to get mine as it was £3100 new there as opposed to £4400 new off Wex - used ones were only a couple of hundred quid less. Wex were as cheap as it got for the body though and they have the 45-85 cheaper than anyone else. I only really shoot stopped down so zooms work for me, and the reason I went for primes on the D810 was just to get some semblance of acceptable sharpness in the frame sides. If you shoot portrait the 55 2.8 is worth getting.

I only really tripod shoot anyway and I find the Manfrotto 190 supports it fine


That tripod and a head suitable to your tastes is all you need. (I prefer 3 way heads others ball heads or geared heads). My view on tripods - if it keeps it still in the wind and long exposures, and doesn't topple over then it's job jobbed).

Like you I cannot get on with EVF's...tried a lot as I get to see a lot of camera's at client workshops, old work (real estate shooting) etc and I just cannot get on with it. This has a nice big OVF and feels a natural camera to use. I can tell you it is going to be a great friend to me over the coming years.
 

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I'm perma banned from facebook due to not being woke enough for them alas.

The camera is amazing in the hands - I had (and still have the Nikon D810) so quite used to the shadow recovery and dynamic range. I really went for this for the 28-45 tbh - the pixel pitch is a little larger than on the D810 so it will be a little cleaner in the shadows and a little more dynamic in the colours but I found with the wider Nikon stuff a lot of the glass was quite soft in the sides. Not this.

I'm getting a new PC soon to cope with the size of the files - right now I have an old 4 core Xeon MacPro tower and it's not so powerful - if you use C1 for editing it doesn't support the files so getting DXO lab to edit them on (user told me it's the best raw converter for the files). I popped a pef into apple photo's and the detail is astonishing - the sharpness from the 28-45 at RAW is as sharp as an output sharpened d810 with a sigma ART prime. I am wondering whether I can do away with sharpening from my workflow altogether. Apple Photo's is really naff though for editing - and its shadow recovery poor but right now that's all I got that reads the files but I am not doing any real photography at the moment.

Next month my new workstation comes - and I am done with Apple for so many reasons.

The lens was crazy expensive - I went to photospecialist.co.uk to get mine as it was £3100 new there as opposed to £4400 new off Wex - used ones were only a couple of hundred quid less. Wex were as cheap as it got for the body though and they have the 45-85 cheaper than anyone else. I only really shoot stopped down so zooms work for me, and the reason I went for primes on the D810 was just to get some semblance of acceptable sharpness in the frame sides. If you shoot portrait the 55 2.8 is worth getting.

I only really tripod shoot anyway and I find the Manfrotto 190 supports it fine


That tripod and a head suitable to your tastes is all you need. (I prefer 3 way heads others ball heads or geared heads). My view on tripods - if it keeps it still in the wind and long exposures, and doesn't topple over then it's job jobbed).

Like you I cannot get on with EVF's...tried a lot as I get to see a lot of camera's at client workshops, old work (real estate shooting) etc and I just cannot get on with it. This has a nice big OVF and feels a natural camera to use. I can tell you it is going to be a great friend to me over the coming years.
I wouldn't mind you stepping me through your editing process. Currently I just use LR. Never used the DxO except for reading up on their reviews.
I'm 6'4 when I checked the Manfrotto 190 it wasn't very tall. So I just keep using my current one.
One guy I was chatting to shoots at iso 3200 his images show very little signs of noise. Maybe I'm zoomed in too much when I look at mine vs zoomed right out and looking at pics on the phone. What are your thoughts on the noise from this beast?
 

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I wouldn't mind you stepping me through your editing process. Currently I just use LR. Never used the DxO except for reading up on their reviews.
I'm 6'4 when I checked the Manfrotto 190 it wasn't very tall. So I just keep using my current one.
One guy I was chatting to shoots at iso 3200 his images show very little signs of noise. Maybe I'm zoomed in too much when I look at mine vs zoomed right out and looking at pics on the phone. What are your thoughts on the noise from this beast?
Ah so you're a bit taller than me - I find the 4 leg 190 pretty tall. I like to have the camera quite often at chest height. Little below where the eye is.

Editing workflow... -

Cull the duds, keep the good ones then....

1. Fix C/A and any lens profiling
2. Add basic saturation and vibrance, some clarity/structure adustments
3. Probably crop...I often compose shots to be cropped a specific aspect ratio so I do that early on
4. Curves. I do ALL my contrast/tone stuff in curves. If the black point is too high, I'd reduce blacks first. If there is a bit of space on the left of the histogram i'd either increase blacks to bring it in, or move the tone curve in a bit. Usually I like to increase mid tones so I'd pull the mid point of the curve out - and if I was happy with the shadow detail I'd set a point 1/4 up so hold that in. If mid tones and shadows are ok, I'd lock their points in on the curve line and pull the highlights out by pulling 3/4 way up. I also do colour correction this way for each R, G, B channel - this fixes any colour casts or you can add them in. I often find I bring the white point of the blue tone curve in to pop the blues in the sky more. Doesn't matter what suite you use, curves gives you more control than sliders. I often check at 100% to ensure nothing is too washed out or crunchy in the dark areas
5. Individual colour saturation - I often boost the yellows and reds a bit to enhance the light...
6. sharpen using 100% preview to make sure I am doing it right

An idea of what I do and what this workflow achieves. Learn how to do it in curves and you're set...IMHO. The results speak for themselves.

_DSC1701 - Version 2 by Stephen Taylor, on Flickr

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I am not a fan of crunched blacks and blow whites - I tend to edit to keep the bulk within the histogram range. I also use ND grad filters and will on the 645z. I try and get everything right in camera and have an exposure that sits towards the right but doesn't clip the whites. You can sort that in post if need be, just don't lose anything if you can help it

Re your question about noise - not got DXO labs onto it yet but reports are it's clean. Given I only shoot landscapes I cannot see it going beyond ISO 200 in my hands. I just want the detail and to use the amazing 28-45 and 45-85 and take pictures that look like the ones above where were taken on the D810. I haven't done anything other than some test shots with the 645z of my living room - when the time comes it will be my main landscape camera.

Personally I wouldn't take any camera near ISO3200 - I'd have no need to but I cannot imagine it will be amazing - no camera really is. It's really designed for a landscape or studio photographer who works at lower ISO's.
 
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Great stuff you two, I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

I'm amazed you are using the 190 Stephen. I know you don't tend to do as much low light long exposure stuff as I do but i found my ally 190 a bit bouncy for my liking. Having tried a good few mid range tripods over the years I couldn't be without my series 4 Gitzo Systematic with 4 inch leg spikes. Even on soft ground in high wind I can get razor sharp long exposure images every time.
 

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Great stuff you two, I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

I'm amazed you are using the 190 Stephen. I know you don't tend to do as much low light long exposure stuff as I do but i found my ally 190 a bit bouncy for my liking. Having tried a good few mid range tripods over the years I couldn't be without my series 4 Gitzo Systematic with 4 inch leg spikes. Even on soft ground in high wind I can get razor sharp long exposure images every time.
I rarely do long expo or shoot in inclement conditions so it does the job - I try to avoid long expo as cloning out hot pixels actually drives me insane.

I agree though, if I was a coastal high winds and up the hills in weather warnings type of guy I'd go for a beefier one, either a 055 or something like yours but as I am out in the very still and clement days it holds everything fine. Right now I am a bit light of wallet and the priority is another lens for this 645z and then maybe I'll review the tripod situation. Over the last week I've spent £12k on computers, screens and gear :(

2.5 secs on the 190 at 86mm

_DSC5155 - 4x3 by Stephen Taylor, on Flickr

10 secs on the 190 at 120mm

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I think only once during a 13sec exposure in a 40mph gust did it lose a frame but that was on a tele. Otherwise it's fine. I tested the 645z indoors on a 30sec exposure and tack sharp but that was at a short FL of 31mm. What I'd say is the Z is very sensitive to where you focus but when it's right it's sigma art prime in the middle sharp after PP in the edges of this thing SOC.

Quite frankly nuts. The prints and agency sales this thing is gonna make me is insane :D

What is tempting me long term is a D850 just to go with the 2.8 70-200 VR - it is a beast of a lens and I think the 35mm format suits longer reaches than the 645z system. I could off load the two remaining D810's and find a couple of hundred quid and get a new D850 off Panamoz. If I go to the Pyrenees this year I will as the long lens is the one I use the most when I go.

On that note happy new year to you :D
 
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If I go to the Pyrenees this year I will...
If this mess clears up and you make it over towards the Barcelona area of the Pyrenees (does surprise people that part of the Barcelona region is in the Pyrenees) you're more than welcome to pop in for a brew.
 

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If this mess clears up and you make it over towards the Barcelona area of the Pyrenees (does surprise people that part of the Barcelona region is in the Pyrenees) you're more than welcome to pop in for a brew.
Years back I went to Montserrat - nr Barcelona. Actually a decade past I went to Barcelona itself. The Pyrenees are my favourite mountains

Thanks for the offer - I'll drop you a line if I can prize myself away from Ordesa Y Monte Perdido.

Happy new year BTW :D
 

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Thanks for the offer - I'll drop you a line if I can prize myself away from Ordesa Y Monte Perdido.
Knowing that area I can completely understand why! Being down the bottom of the valley somewhere just past the parking/restaurant looking back down towards the waterfalls at just before sunset with the light just taking the tops of the mountains...

Happy new year BTW :D
And a Happy New Year to you too!
 

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I rarely do long expo or shoot in inclement conditions so it does the job - I try to avoid long expo as cloning out hot pixels actually drives me insane.

I agree though, if I was a coastal high winds and up the hills in weather warnings type of guy I'd go for a beefier one, either a 055 or something like yours but as I am out in the very still and clement days it holds everything fine. Right now I am a bit light of wallet and the priority is another lens for this 645z and then maybe I'll review the tripod situation. Over the last week I've spent £12k on computers, screens and gear :(

2.5 secs on the 190 at 86mm

_DSC5155 - 4x3 by Stephen Taylor, on Flickr

10 secs on the 190 at 120mm

_DSC3086 - Version 3 by Stephen Taylor, on Flickr


I think only once during a 13sec exposure in a 40mph gust did it lose a frame but that was on a tele. Otherwise it's fine. I tested the 645z indoors on a 30sec exposure and tack sharp but that was at a short FL of 31mm. What I'd say is the Z is very sensitive to where you focus but when it's right it's sigma art prime in the middle sharp after PP in the edges of this thing SOC.

Quite frankly nuts. The prints and agency sales this thing is gonna make me is insane :D

What is tempting me long term is a D850 just to go with the 2.8 70-200 VR - it is a beast of a lens and I think the 35mm format suits longer reaches than the 645z system. I could off load the two remaining D810's and find a couple of hundred quid and get a new D850 off Panamoz. If I go to the Pyrenees this year I will as the long lens is the one I use the most when I go.

On that note happy new year to you :D
The D850 & 70-200 f/2.8 is a spectacular combination. I adore mine and am always blown away by the image quality when I look at the results close up. I got my both my 850's from e-infin and saved a third both times.

Happy new year to you too Stephen! I hope it's a good one. It's started well, I'm out on thick fog at the moment waiting for some light.
 

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Knowing that area I can completely understand why! Being down the bottom of the valley somewhere just past the parking/restaurant looking back down towards the waterfalls at just before sunset with the light just taking the tops of the mountains...
It's my favourite place in the world...a new years present for you. All from October 2019....

Sector Anisclo

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Sector Ordesa

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I am quite envious this is what - 2-3 hours in the car for you. More like 18hours in the car, 2 in the boat, 40 mins either side of the boat, breakfast, lunch, dinner and breakfast stop away for me so 26hours journey time.

If I could just photograph one area for the rest of my life Ordesa Y Monte Perdido would be it. I cannot wait to introduce my 645z to this place. That's the 2021 mission.
 

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I am quite envious this is what - 2-3 hours in the car for you. More like 18hours in the car, 2 in the boat, 40 mins either side of the boat, breakfast, lunch, dinner and breakfast stop away for me so 26hours journey time.
Going the "long" way around, it's 3 hours dead, going the more direct route... 5 hours. Don't be envious of the times, though as with the nightmare of roads (and disjointed public transport connections) just nipping back to the UK for any reason is at least 10 hours depending on flight times or in to town for something is half a day down the pan; it's great living in the mountains until it's time to get out of them!
 

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Going the "long" way around, it's 3 hours dead, going the more direct route... 5 hours. Don't be envious of the times, though as with the nightmare of roads (and disjointed public transport connections) just nipping back to the UK for any reason is at least 10 hours depending on flight times or in to town for something is half a day down the pan; it's great living in the mountains until it's time to get out of them!
I am thinking of all honesty relocating over there - I love the scenery and the weather would work for me nicely.

The roads are in very many ways similar to rural scotland, only better surfaced - but yeah it takes time to get places and big cities like Zaragoza, Barcelona, Madrid, Toulouse, Bordeaux are not that near but I can count on my hand the times I've been into Glasgow this last year and that's not because of lock down ;)

I could see myself living quietly in a place like Fanlo, Bielsa, Escalona, etc maybe even L'Ainsa. I don't quite know where you are though but if you lived in this area all your grocery needs could be done without too much car time (30 mins each way max).

I don't fly but drive down - I left my house at 8am and by the following day was having lunch in Gavarnie. On the way back I left Bielsa at dawn and was home just in time for the local jet wash place to open.
 

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I am thinking of all honesty relocating over there - I love the scenery and the weather would work for me nicely.

The roads are in very many ways similar to rural scotland, only better surfaced - but yeah it takes time to get places and big cities like Zaragoza, Barcelona, Madrid, Toulouse, Bordeaux are not that near but I can count on my hand the times I've been into Glasgow this last year and that's not because of lock down ;)

I could see myself living quietly in a place like Fanlo, Bielsa, Escalona, etc maybe even L'Ainsa. I don't quite know where you are though but if you lived in this area all your grocery needs could be done without too much car time (30 mins each way max).

I don't fly but drive down - I left my house at 8am and by the following day was having lunch in Gavarnie. On the way back I left Bielsa at dawn and was home just in time for the local jet wash place to open.
Don't you ever sleep Stephen?!
 
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